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  •  Out of curiosity (none / 0)

    since I don't have any investments or stocks or anything, being as I'm just a student and make crapola. What does that mean when you say you 'bought gold?'

    Do you have...like...a stockpile of gold sitting in your cellar now, covered over with old newspapers and a warning to the kids not to look under the daddy's newspapers?

    ;p

    My signature beat up your signature.

    by Stand Strong on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 04:48:15 PM PDT

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    •  Standard way to buy gold is to buy (none / 0)

      established 1 oz. coins like the South African Krugerrand. One can also buy bullion (that is, bars). It can be held at a deposit company or in a safe deposit box at a bank or buried in the back yard. I looked into this myself about two years ago, and I'm kicking myself that I didn't put everything into gold at that point. I've lost money on stocks in that time, but I could have made 40 percent so far on gold.
      •  I'm curious (none / 0)

        I honestly don't "get" economic stuff, so please be gentle with me.
        Couldn't you have protected yourself just as well by investing in something like hedge funds? What in the world can be done with gold bullion, that wouldn't be subject the same bank and market issues as, say, bonds?
        I hate it that I'm so confused by this stuff, but I'd greatly appreciate any help you all can give me understanding the strengths and weaknesses of each investment option - including real estate (which tends to be where I feel most comfortable when the notion of investing wisely comes up).

        Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

        by Kimberley on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:21:30 PM PDT

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        •  One idea (none / 0)

          what in the world can be done with gold bullion

          You can pretend to be a pirate?
          Yar!

          •  I'm doin' that already (none / 0)

            I don't wear this parrot on my shoulder and the eye patch for nothing.

            Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

            by Kimberley on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:34:03 PM PDT

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          •  Why Buy Gold? (none / 0)

            The short answer is: Gold's value is incredibly stable.  Just as a for-instance, right now, old is $426.00 an ounce.

            That will buy a rich man's business suit perfectly well.

            In 100 AD, 1 ounce of gold bought a richly decorated Toga.

            Basically, if you are getting into Gold, it means you think there will either be deflation, or that there will be very rapid inflation.

            We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

            by ScrewySquirrel on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:49:05 PM PDT

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        •  Well... (none / 1)

          The main argument for gold is that George Bush can't print more gold to pay for his wars and mismanagement. People start talking about gold (and other alternatives) when they lose confidence in a government's ability to responsibly manage it's currency.

          When a currency starts losing their value, people (everyone from Bill Gates to Joe Schmoe) don't want to store their savings/value in that currency. Gold has historically been a reliable alternative, because it is a fairly finite supply, easily storable and durable (unlike a silo of oats), fairly safe from counterfeit/fraud risk, portable (unlike real estate), divisible (unlike paintings for instance) and fairly liquid (many buyers and sellers worldwide from small to large scale).

          Other commodities can also conceivably be instruments of storing value, each with various pros and cons. The idea is to flee the localized environment of irresponsibility/risk--not to make a great amount of profit--although that will happen if there is a panic/collapse. But even most goldbugs understand that the chaos from a true panic is pretty undesirable and don't pray for it.

          Anyways, the rise in gold over the last two years has mirrored the decline in the dollar almost perfectly. If you factor out the decline if the dollar, gold has basically stayed flat. That stability is what people want when they stop trusting the US (or any other currency-issuing government.)

          As to how various other instruments compare to dollars, that is a complex subject. But regarding bonds, they are just a kind of loan denominated in a specific currency--and are thus very sensitive to the health of that currency as well; regardless of whether the entity receiving the loan is a high-risk or low risk venture. Does that make sense?

          Anyways, good luck and I encourage you to actively educate yourself about economics. It can be a very fascinating subject.

          •  Thank you (none / 0)

            Yes, the thing I was angling at (without using the proper terminology) was liquidity.
            I appreciate you taking the time to explain some of this to me. It's intimidating but, as you said, fascinating.

            Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

            by Kimberley on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 01:22:08 AM PDT

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      •  You can buy gold right on the Nasdaq (4.00 / 2)

        GLD is the ticker symbol.
      •  '... buried in the back yard' (4.00 / 2)

        Uh, what's your address?
    •  Gold stocks/funds (none / 0)

      It might sound odd, but you can also buy gold stocks and gold funds.  In addition to owning gold bullion, these companies are involved in gold extraction, processing, etc.

      I am all for freedom of speech...it makes it easier to identify the idiots.

      by Mote Dai on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:19:15 PM PDT

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    •  buying gold (none / 0)

      You can also buy gold on the NYSE, ticker GLD or IAU.

      "I would ask the walls about it, but they vanished overnight"

      by emmanuel on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:06:29 PM PDT

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    •  At the small investor level (none / 0)

      you buy into gold through mutual funds that invest in gold for you.  Don't pay a front-end or back-end "load" or fee.

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